"There is a dream dreaming us."
This saying comes from the Kalihari Bushmen of South Africa. It is a concise proposition of aboriginal wisdom, but it is also a riddle. To explore that riddle takes you directly to the heart of Planetary Tantra.
What does aboriginal mean? What is wisdom? How can a dream dream? And how is a dream different from reality, defined as life in the non-dreaming state? These are some questions that arise as you reflect on this riddle. This introduction presents simple but startling answers to these questions, and more....
What is the definition of "aboriginal"? It means "from the beginning, the origin," and usually refers to tribal people living before or outside civilization -- so-called primitive people. At this time in history aboriginal (indigenous) peoples around the world have almost entirely disappeared, due to a systematic program of extermination extending over many centuries. A tragic fact, for sure, but what if there is a way to return to the origin, even to go back to the beginning of the world? Where this possible, the aboriginal view of life could be recovered and restored.
You who are reading these words could be a "new aboriginal" if you connect directly to the origin of life. Planetary Tantra is the fastest, most direct way to make and hold that connection.
What is the definition of "wisdom"? It is not merely knowledge, but the most basic and profound kind of knowledge attainable to humans. Wisdom is what makes all other knowledge possible and frames it in an ultimate perspective. Wisdom gives you the power to know and understand everything that happens in your life, in the world around you, and in the cosmos at large. If you attain such comprehensive knowledge, you seek no more. But still, you would continue to strive and evolve and express everything that grows from that precious and superior knowledge.
"Superior knowledge tells who we are, what we have become, whence we have come, where we have been thrown, where we are going, how we are restored, what is birth, what is rebirth." Theodotus, Pagan initiate, 140 AD
Planetary Tantra is a wellspring of this superior knowledge as well as an open source path of spirituality that can support and direct the flowering of divine talent inherent in each human person. The "aboriginal wisdom" of Planetary Tantra tells you who you are, where you have come from, where the earth came from, and what you are doing here on earth. This is indeed special and superior knowledge, but how can it be distinguished from "knowing thyself," which is often considered to be the ultimate goal of spirituality?
Some people would argue that knowing yourself is a never-ending quest, and "it's the journey, not the goal" that matters. Seekers of self-knowledge often slip into a syndrome in which the seeking process, or "quest", becomes an end in itself. But what is the point of seeking something if you never find it? When you find what you are seeking, don't you stop looking? Imagine you are looking for the keys to your car in your house. Do you find them, and then just keep looking for them? Obviously not. It makes no sense to continue searching for what you have found. Neither does it makes sense to keep looking for the truth about life once you actually find it. There is an attainable goal in self-knowledge, and once attaining it, you seek no more. Searching for truth may be described as a journey, yes, but the attainment of truth brings you to the threshold of another journey, an adventure directed by wisdom.
If you are willing to consider what Planetary Tantra can show you, you will no longer need to seek the source of your life, and you will realize how to live your unique truth by grounding yourself at the source of all truth. To do this, you must of course be able to encounter the source truth in a direct and verifiable way.
What is that source? Does the source want you to find it? Yes, it can be said that it does, it even calls to you. The calling of the source is like a hum or mantra of inner hearing that entrains you into the dream event in which you live. Mysteriously, it is the sound of your own mind vibrating to the source of mind. Your mind now following these words hears the call -- the Dreamtone -- without knowing it does so in direct awareness, as a clear fact of experience. The "dream dreaming us" calls to you, but it takes a singular action for you to respond to that calling. That action is the first initiation of Planetary Tantra.
How can a dream itself be dreaming? That double event is the secret of the unique source knowledge you find in Planetary Tantra. There is true magic in this double event, not magical thinking or make believe, but a displayed force of cosmically manifesting intelligence that can be tested. The key to this secret is the dualism of the idea: a dream that dreams. Normally, you have a life in the waking state and then you sleep and dream. There is also a kind of day dreaming, indulgence in fantasy. It must be considered an illusion to "dream your way though life." PT does not propose anything like that. It is not an escapist game. It does not invite you to take life for a dream in the sense of a mere illusion or irresponsible fantasy? On the contrary, it invites you to an adventure with power. Entry to this practice is the same for everyone: it happens when you realize that the dream you are living is not yours. The dream that dreams your life is different from the dream you have when sleeping. It is a divine dream on the cosmic scale, and the dreamer of it is a divine entity. But not a god, and not a deity of any known religion today -- as explained in "The Goddess of Many Names."
The dreamer of your life is the earth itself, the planet. The primary name of this cosmic dreaming entity is Sophia, meaning "wisdom". Hence she may be called the Wisdom Goddess, the central agency in Planetary Tantra.
This name can be pronounced So-FI-uh (rhymes with desire) to distinguish it from So-FEE-uh, the name commonly given to humans or animals. Now, if the dreamer of your life is the earth itself, then the earth must be Sophia, right? Correct, but bear in mind that you are not having Sophia's dream: it is having you. When you sleep, you have your own dream. When you are awake living on the earth in the ordinary world, you are present in the dream event of another entity which surpasses this world. The name of the cosmic dreamer is Sophia, identical with the living earth, sometimes called Gaia. Hence Gaia-Sophia can be adopted as the full title of the cosmic power to be recognized and engaged in Planetary Tantra.
Why use the name Sophia? It's use comes from a sacred tradition. Once upon a time, there existed a movement of shamanic visionaries called the Magian Order who explored the deepest secrets of cosmic and human reality. These illumined mystics came to be called Gnostics, "those who know about divine matters." Like the aboriginal peoples of the world, the Gnostics had special knowledge that connected them to the source of life. Like the aboriginal people, they were also targeted by a long and brutal campaign of spiritual-cultural extermination. Today, it is a little known fact that the Gnostic teachings about Sophia were, and still are, the most persecuted and violently repressed body of knowledge in all of history. Enormous efforts extending over centuries have been exerted to eradicate what the Gnostics taught and even remove all evidence that they ever existed. Yet the ancient Gnostic teachings about the dream of the earth survive today in Planetary Tantra.
The Gnostics of the Magian Order founded the Pagan Mysteries as an educational system to teach humanity "who we are, what we have become, whence we have come, where we have been thrown, where we are going, how we are redeemed, what is birth, what is rebirth." These ancient seers were unique in making the identification of the living planet with the goddess Sophia, due to realizing that Sophia existed as a distinct entity before becoming the earth. No other teachings from any spiritual or metaphysical system of any age or culture carry that precise recognition. Sophia is incarnated in the earth, the Gnostics taught, and they described at length how she came to be so.
The true identity of Sophia is exclusive to Gnostic intel. It is the basis of the theory of Planetary Tantra. Theory in this case is not mere speculation, such as the theory of the Big Bang or Darwinian evolution. Theoria in Greek means "beholding, that which is known by seeing it." Gnostics really knew that Sophia is a galactic-scale star goddess who turned into the earth, due to having beheld her process of incarnation in the visionary trance they practiced. Gnosis is cognitive ecstasy, the trance state of bliss-filled cosmic knowing. Planetary Tantra is a continuation and upscaling of the ancient practices of Gnosis that were preserved in the Pagan Mystery Schools. It is a technique of trance-learning.
Now, returning to the question: How is a dream different from reality, defined as life in the non-dreaming state? Well, the answer depends on whose dream you are considering. Planetary Tantra asserts that the earth is having a dream, so let's ask: How is the dreaming of the planet you inhabit different from your dreaming as a human creature on the planet? The answer is stunningly simple: Your dreams happen when you sleep, or in your sleep, but the dreaming of the earth happens to you all the time, awake or asleep. Your life in the non-dreaming state, fully and normally awake, is actually unfolding within the framework of a cosmic dream that encompasses your every thought and action. If you stop for a moment and hold on to that thought, something amazing may become obvious: In your waking state, you can have the experience of "going lucid" in the cosmic dream. Your conscious state of attention when awake compares exactly to the status of a lucid dream. This is a fundamental truth of Planetary Tantra. You are experiencing a lucid dream, right now as you read these words, but it is not your dream. There is a dream dreaming you.
How to explain this notion of going lucid in Sophia's dream? Many people have undergone the experience of lucid dreaming. It can occur spontaneously, and there are methods for inducing it. This phenomenon happens when you are asleep and you wake up while still dreaming: you do not wake from the dream, in it. At that moment you are conscious in the dream exactly as you are when awake, but you continue dreaming.
In the dream of the earth, your waking mind is continually in the lucid state. But the catch is, you do not realize you are lucid in the planetary dream event unless you know who the dreamer is, and how the dreaming of the earth operates, how it functions relative to your mind, emotions, and senses. The theory of Planetary Tantra informs you that you are lucid in a cosmic dream event. You do not have to do anything to become lucid except recognize the source of the dream that is dreaming you. The practice of PT starts with that lucidity confirmed, placing you immediately in Sophia's dream event. It gives you supernatural presence in the world, so that your own life acquires another dimension. It also presents the definition and application of that astonishing knowledge of being dreamed, and charts the way to practice with that awareness.
Thus, Planetary Tantra can be defined as interactivity with Gaia, or interactive magic with the Wisdom Goddess whose body is the earth upon which you live.
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"If you produce what is within you, what you produce will save you. If you do not produce what is within you, what you do not produce will destroy you."
"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will master all that is."
- From the Nag Hammadi writings of the Gnostics
Planetary Tantra is neither a religion based on dogmas, nor a belief-system that requires faith. It is a technique to be tested. This technique enables you to sustain the awareness that you are living in the dream of a cosmic power, Gaia-Sophia. Beyond that, PT is a path of learning how to share power with the planet that dreams your life. The earth is dreaming and in that process it dreams your life, so the truth is, your life is not really your own. At least not at its source, its origin. Sophia is the source of your life in the same way that you are the source of the characters in a dream you have. This is an astonishing truth, but it can be trumped by an even more astonishing truth:
The dreaming earth as a material body gives you the gift of life and keeps you alive, biologically, but also biographically: you are a character living in the dream life of the Wisdom Goddess, a product of her imagination. Your life is not your own, and even your life-story, the biography that tells you who you are, complete with memories and a sense of purpose, is likewise a product of the divine dream event. Your entire life-story is a thread in the tapestry (tantra) of Sophia's Dreaming.
Take a moment to savor that amazing parallelism: biological and biographical. No sane human creature can deny that the earth is the source of its existence, the biological matrix. But imagine that the earth is also the source of your existence biographically: in other words, you are a character in the living dream of the planet. This again is the leading premise of Planetary Tantra. No one has to believe it is true or take it on faith. It is a proposition that can be tested and verified by the practices described in the PT manual.
To conclude: Ancient seers called Gnostics identified the star goddess Sophia as the divine presence indwelling the earth. She is a star goddess, they taught, because previous to becoming the planet she existed at the cosmic level, in the core of our galaxy. The teachers of the Mysteries in the Levant knew the entire story of Sophia's planetary incarnation process -- the Fallen Goddess Scenario. This scenario is the sacred narrative observed by everyone who enters Planetary Tantra.
Knowing the story of Sophia keeps the lucidity of the human creature steady and centered in her dream. Without knowing who is dreaming you, that lucidity which you hold in your mental attention goes astray and veers around wildly, like a lighted torch blown every which way in a tornado. The torch cannot fix its beam without recognition of the dreaming source.
The source of every human mind is Sophia's mind, the intelligence of nature and supernature combined. In the practice of Planetary Tantra, you come to receive Her Mind in ever-increasing awareness of how it operates.
"There is a dream dreaming us." Recognition of source of that dreaming power puts you on the path of Planetary Tantra and sets you on course for a power-sharing adventure with the Wisdom Goddess. Those who enter this adventure often find themselves marveling in the same words, which come spontaneously: "How much beauty can you take?" In this practice, beauty reveals the presence of the supernatural within the natural world. Sophia is a cosmic entity, a star goddess or galactic Aeon (the Gnostic word for a divinity, which may be male- or female-gendered). Yet her supernatural power is available to human creatures who live with conscious intention in her Dreaming. Beauty is the signature of her power. Planetary Tantra is the worship of that beauty and the way to engage it for acts of co-creative magic. This PT manual presents the outlines of that adventure, interactive magic with Gaia.
This saying comes from the Kalihari Bushmen of South Africa. It is a concise proposition of aboriginal wisdom, but it is also a riddle. To explore that riddle takes you directly to the heart of Planetary Tantra.
What does aboriginal mean? What is wisdom? How can a dream dream? And how is a dream different from reality, defined as life in the non-dreaming state? These are some questions that arise as you reflect on this riddle. This introduction presents simple but startling answers to these questions, and more....
What is the definition of "aboriginal"? It means "from the beginning, the origin," and usually refers to tribal people living before or outside civilization -- so-called primitive people. At this time in history aboriginal (indigenous) peoples around the world have almost entirely disappeared, due to a systematic program of extermination extending over many centuries. A tragic fact, for sure, but what if there is a way to return to the origin, even to go back to the beginning of the world? Where this possible, the aboriginal view of life could be recovered and restored.
You who are reading these words could be a "new aboriginal" if you connect directly to the origin of life. Planetary Tantra is the fastest, most direct way to make and hold that connection.
What is the definition of "wisdom"? It is not merely knowledge, but the most basic and profound kind of knowledge attainable to humans. Wisdom is what makes all other knowledge possible and frames it in an ultimate perspective. Wisdom gives you the power to know and understand everything that happens in your life, in the world around you, and in the cosmos at large. If you attain such comprehensive knowledge, you seek no more. But still, you would continue to strive and evolve and express everything that grows from that precious and superior knowledge.
"Superior knowledge tells who we are, what we have become, whence we have come, where we have been thrown, where we are going, how we are restored, what is birth, what is rebirth." Theodotus, Pagan initiate, 140 AD
Planetary Tantra is a wellspring of this superior knowledge as well as an open source path of spirituality that can support and direct the flowering of divine talent inherent in each human person. The "aboriginal wisdom" of Planetary Tantra tells you who you are, where you have come from, where the earth came from, and what you are doing here on earth. This is indeed special and superior knowledge, but how can it be distinguished from "knowing thyself," which is often considered to be the ultimate goal of spirituality?
Some people would argue that knowing yourself is a never-ending quest, and "it's the journey, not the goal" that matters. Seekers of self-knowledge often slip into a syndrome in which the seeking process, or "quest", becomes an end in itself. But what is the point of seeking something if you never find it? When you find what you are seeking, don't you stop looking? Imagine you are looking for the keys to your car in your house. Do you find them, and then just keep looking for them? Obviously not. It makes no sense to continue searching for what you have found. Neither does it makes sense to keep looking for the truth about life once you actually find it. There is an attainable goal in self-knowledge, and once attaining it, you seek no more. Searching for truth may be described as a journey, yes, but the attainment of truth brings you to the threshold of another journey, an adventure directed by wisdom.
If you are willing to consider what Planetary Tantra can show you, you will no longer need to seek the source of your life, and you will realize how to live your unique truth by grounding yourself at the source of all truth. To do this, you must of course be able to encounter the source truth in a direct and verifiable way.
What is that source? Does the source want you to find it? Yes, it can be said that it does, it even calls to you. The calling of the source is like a hum or mantra of inner hearing that entrains you into the dream event in which you live. Mysteriously, it is the sound of your own mind vibrating to the source of mind. Your mind now following these words hears the call -- the Dreamtone -- without knowing it does so in direct awareness, as a clear fact of experience. The "dream dreaming us" calls to you, but it takes a singular action for you to respond to that calling. That action is the first initiation of Planetary Tantra.
How can a dream itself be dreaming? That double event is the secret of the unique source knowledge you find in Planetary Tantra. There is true magic in this double event, not magical thinking or make believe, but a displayed force of cosmically manifesting intelligence that can be tested. The key to this secret is the dualism of the idea: a dream that dreams. Normally, you have a life in the waking state and then you sleep and dream. There is also a kind of day dreaming, indulgence in fantasy. It must be considered an illusion to "dream your way though life." PT does not propose anything like that. It is not an escapist game. It does not invite you to take life for a dream in the sense of a mere illusion or irresponsible fantasy? On the contrary, it invites you to an adventure with power. Entry to this practice is the same for everyone: it happens when you realize that the dream you are living is not yours. The dream that dreams your life is different from the dream you have when sleeping. It is a divine dream on the cosmic scale, and the dreamer of it is a divine entity. But not a god, and not a deity of any known religion today -- as explained in "The Goddess of Many Names."
The dreamer of your life is the earth itself, the planet. The primary name of this cosmic dreaming entity is Sophia, meaning "wisdom". Hence she may be called the Wisdom Goddess, the central agency in Planetary Tantra.
This name can be pronounced So-FI-uh (rhymes with desire) to distinguish it from So-FEE-uh, the name commonly given to humans or animals. Now, if the dreamer of your life is the earth itself, then the earth must be Sophia, right? Correct, but bear in mind that you are not having Sophia's dream: it is having you. When you sleep, you have your own dream. When you are awake living on the earth in the ordinary world, you are present in the dream event of another entity which surpasses this world. The name of the cosmic dreamer is Sophia, identical with the living earth, sometimes called Gaia. Hence Gaia-Sophia can be adopted as the full title of the cosmic power to be recognized and engaged in Planetary Tantra.
Why use the name Sophia? It's use comes from a sacred tradition. Once upon a time, there existed a movement of shamanic visionaries called the Magian Order who explored the deepest secrets of cosmic and human reality. These illumined mystics came to be called Gnostics, "those who know about divine matters." Like the aboriginal peoples of the world, the Gnostics had special knowledge that connected them to the source of life. Like the aboriginal people, they were also targeted by a long and brutal campaign of spiritual-cultural extermination. Today, it is a little known fact that the Gnostic teachings about Sophia were, and still are, the most persecuted and violently repressed body of knowledge in all of history. Enormous efforts extending over centuries have been exerted to eradicate what the Gnostics taught and even remove all evidence that they ever existed. Yet the ancient Gnostic teachings about the dream of the earth survive today in Planetary Tantra.
The Gnostics of the Magian Order founded the Pagan Mysteries as an educational system to teach humanity "who we are, what we have become, whence we have come, where we have been thrown, where we are going, how we are redeemed, what is birth, what is rebirth." These ancient seers were unique in making the identification of the living planet with the goddess Sophia, due to realizing that Sophia existed as a distinct entity before becoming the earth. No other teachings from any spiritual or metaphysical system of any age or culture carry that precise recognition. Sophia is incarnated in the earth, the Gnostics taught, and they described at length how she came to be so.
The true identity of Sophia is exclusive to Gnostic intel. It is the basis of the theory of Planetary Tantra. Theory in this case is not mere speculation, such as the theory of the Big Bang or Darwinian evolution. Theoria in Greek means "beholding, that which is known by seeing it." Gnostics really knew that Sophia is a galactic-scale star goddess who turned into the earth, due to having beheld her process of incarnation in the visionary trance they practiced. Gnosis is cognitive ecstasy, the trance state of bliss-filled cosmic knowing. Planetary Tantra is a continuation and upscaling of the ancient practices of Gnosis that were preserved in the Pagan Mystery Schools. It is a technique of trance-learning.
Now, returning to the question: How is a dream different from reality, defined as life in the non-dreaming state? Well, the answer depends on whose dream you are considering. Planetary Tantra asserts that the earth is having a dream, so let's ask: How is the dreaming of the planet you inhabit different from your dreaming as a human creature on the planet? The answer is stunningly simple: Your dreams happen when you sleep, or in your sleep, but the dreaming of the earth happens to you all the time, awake or asleep. Your life in the non-dreaming state, fully and normally awake, is actually unfolding within the framework of a cosmic dream that encompasses your every thought and action. If you stop for a moment and hold on to that thought, something amazing may become obvious: In your waking state, you can have the experience of "going lucid" in the cosmic dream. Your conscious state of attention when awake compares exactly to the status of a lucid dream. This is a fundamental truth of Planetary Tantra. You are experiencing a lucid dream, right now as you read these words, but it is not your dream. There is a dream dreaming you.
How to explain this notion of going lucid in Sophia's dream? Many people have undergone the experience of lucid dreaming. It can occur spontaneously, and there are methods for inducing it. This phenomenon happens when you are asleep and you wake up while still dreaming: you do not wake from the dream, in it. At that moment you are conscious in the dream exactly as you are when awake, but you continue dreaming.
In the dream of the earth, your waking mind is continually in the lucid state. But the catch is, you do not realize you are lucid in the planetary dream event unless you know who the dreamer is, and how the dreaming of the earth operates, how it functions relative to your mind, emotions, and senses. The theory of Planetary Tantra informs you that you are lucid in a cosmic dream event. You do not have to do anything to become lucid except recognize the source of the dream that is dreaming you. The practice of PT starts with that lucidity confirmed, placing you immediately in Sophia's dream event. It gives you supernatural presence in the world, so that your own life acquires another dimension. It also presents the definition and application of that astonishing knowledge of being dreamed, and charts the way to practice with that awareness.
Thus, Planetary Tantra can be defined as interactivity with Gaia, or interactive magic with the Wisdom Goddess whose body is the earth upon which you live.
********
"If you produce what is within you, what you produce will save you. If you do not produce what is within you, what you do not produce will destroy you."
"Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will master all that is."
- From the Nag Hammadi writings of the Gnostics
Planetary Tantra is neither a religion based on dogmas, nor a belief-system that requires faith. It is a technique to be tested. This technique enables you to sustain the awareness that you are living in the dream of a cosmic power, Gaia-Sophia. Beyond that, PT is a path of learning how to share power with the planet that dreams your life. The earth is dreaming and in that process it dreams your life, so the truth is, your life is not really your own. At least not at its source, its origin. Sophia is the source of your life in the same way that you are the source of the characters in a dream you have. This is an astonishing truth, but it can be trumped by an even more astonishing truth:
The dreaming earth as a material body gives you the gift of life and keeps you alive, biologically, but also biographically: you are a character living in the dream life of the Wisdom Goddess, a product of her imagination. Your life is not your own, and even your life-story, the biography that tells you who you are, complete with memories and a sense of purpose, is likewise a product of the divine dream event. Your entire life-story is a thread in the tapestry (tantra) of Sophia's Dreaming.
Take a moment to savor that amazing parallelism: biological and biographical. No sane human creature can deny that the earth is the source of its existence, the biological matrix. But imagine that the earth is also the source of your existence biographically: in other words, you are a character in the living dream of the planet. This again is the leading premise of Planetary Tantra. No one has to believe it is true or take it on faith. It is a proposition that can be tested and verified by the practices described in the PT manual.
To conclude: Ancient seers called Gnostics identified the star goddess Sophia as the divine presence indwelling the earth. She is a star goddess, they taught, because previous to becoming the planet she existed at the cosmic level, in the core of our galaxy. The teachers of the Mysteries in the Levant knew the entire story of Sophia's planetary incarnation process -- the Fallen Goddess Scenario. This scenario is the sacred narrative observed by everyone who enters Planetary Tantra.
Knowing the story of Sophia keeps the lucidity of the human creature steady and centered in her dream. Without knowing who is dreaming you, that lucidity which you hold in your mental attention goes astray and veers around wildly, like a lighted torch blown every which way in a tornado. The torch cannot fix its beam without recognition of the dreaming source.
The source of every human mind is Sophia's mind, the intelligence of nature and supernature combined. In the practice of Planetary Tantra, you come to receive Her Mind in ever-increasing awareness of how it operates.
"There is a dream dreaming us." Recognition of source of that dreaming power puts you on the path of Planetary Tantra and sets you on course for a power-sharing adventure with the Wisdom Goddess. Those who enter this adventure often find themselves marveling in the same words, which come spontaneously: "How much beauty can you take?" In this practice, beauty reveals the presence of the supernatural within the natural world. Sophia is a cosmic entity, a star goddess or galactic Aeon (the Gnostic word for a divinity, which may be male- or female-gendered). Yet her supernatural power is available to human creatures who live with conscious intention in her Dreaming. Beauty is the signature of her power. Planetary Tantra is the worship of that beauty and the way to engage it for acts of co-creative magic. This PT manual presents the outlines of that adventure, interactive magic with Gaia.
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Matangi Shift February 2016
Andaluci
Matangi Shift February 2016
Andaluci
Here are the words of a neophyte who, 76 years old at the time, still retains his warrior instinct and his innocent child mind:
"I came here in pure innocence and curiosity and couldn't in my wildest imagination imagine what would happen.
It was the most beautiful and meaningful experience of all my life. Now I don't have to believe anymore – I KNOW the Earth Goddess is here and can be contacted. All of nature danced with wonderful colors and patterns before my eyes and waved at me to participate in Gaia's dance. I wasn't clearly aware of the moon first, but when I started concentrating on the moon I saw 'Her' and she is really 'flirtatious'. The meeting with Her was very intense and real. Her beauty is immense and the challenge is "How much beauty can you take" And I could take pretty much, but definitely not all... |
- Hans Carlsson